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Rutlands Lulubelle

February 22, 2011

Canadian Breeder Karen McKay of Candoodle Labradoodles, who allegedly scammed me into paying for a refund for a breeding female who did not have the health problems she claimed to have (I found her new owner in California, Karen sold her to after having bred with her, and the tests performed at my expense). Beverley Manners 2011.

Now for the TRUTH!

Rutlands Lulubelle

We (my husband Tom and myself Karen McKay) purchased Lulu (Rutlands Lulubelle) from Bev at Rutland Manor Labradoodles in 2002 for the price of $24,000. 00 Canadian Dollars as an open breeding female.   We took Lulu to her first CERF exam  on July 5,  2002 where Dr. Lewis DVM, DACVO, found an Inter. equatorial cortex  cataract in her right eye – his comments are : Origin of Cataract is undetermined – recheck 6-12 months.  Left eye was Normal.

We contacted Bev Manners – and she informed us to have it rechecked that maybe Lulu had hurt her eye when she was younger but that she would make it good.

Dr. Lewis only comes to our small community once yearly so on July 4, 2003 we again took Lulu for her yearly CERF where again the cataract was found, and noted on her CERF papers along with: Rt Eye: No Significant Cataract regression.  Left Eye: Peripheral Cataract:  Possibly Inherited.  In further discussion with Dr. Lewis it was determined that we should not breed with Lulu, the possibility of this being Inherited was far too strong.

Again, we contacted Bev who stated she was going to take Lulu back, breed her and prove to the world that there was nothing wrong with her.  At the time of our discussion Lulu was in season and Bev asked us to breed her to our male Coal, that she would need his CERF records so if any of the puppies did in fact have a problem they could rule out Coal’s involvement in it.  We hesitantly agreed, but the dog was to belong to Bev as she was replacing her so we did as she asked.

We waited and waited however the replacement female never materialized and we were offered a puppy and then 2 puppies but we wanted an open adult female just as we had purchased so we declined the offers.   Lulu continued to get closer to her delivery date and Bev stopped answering emails or phone calls.  Finally, we were able to contact Bev and ask her what she was going to do with Lulu at which time she told us to enjoy our litter and to have a nice life.

We called and emailed with our discontent until we received an email that stated Rutland Manor`s Board of Directors had met and decided that we were to keep Lulu and whelp her litter.  Place her puppies and retain the funds from her litter, have Lulu spayed and place her in a forever home and keep whatever placing fee we received.  Once this was complete, we were to send them the spay certificate and they would refund our purchase price.  We were to keep the money from placing Lulu and the puppies as compensation for the out of pocket expenses, care and feeding of Lulu, Dr. visits etc. etc.

We did all of this, sent them a copy of the spay certificate and wham – we were then told that we had lied, that we were scamming Bev – that the CERF exam was of some other female with cataracts and not Lulu  and we were just trying to cheat Bev out of her money – therefore she was not going to replace her or refund our purchased price.

Meanwhile – as we were fighting with Bev and seeking, legal council, the family that now had Lulu wanted another older doodle and because we did not have one they decided to contact Lulu`s original breeder, Bev Manners.  Bev asked them if they would please have Lulu`s eyes checked – which they agreed to do only if Bev paid in advance for the testing.  Bev did, so they took Lulu to the Eye Care for Animals clinic in Tustin California where she was seen by Dr. Allison Hoffman.  (This is the eye exam that Bev constantly tells everyone she paid for and that it proves Lulu is fine – however Bev has never let anyone see this document and had no idea that the family sent me a copy as well and here it is for everyone see)

Dr. Hoffman`s findings are: Diagnosis – Equatorial Cataract OD

After 5 years from Lulu joining us and having gone through both the Court System in Canada and then progressing to the Court System in Australia – it was determined that Bev was indeed at fault and was required to pay back the $24000.00 purchase price and a small portion of the court costs – which after this length of time and involving 2 countries -were extensive.

I have constantly been barraged by Bev about my conniving, manipulating, lying, dishonest dealing with her.  My name and reputation have constantly been slandered by her citing what a bad person I am, etc. etc.  I have spoken up only a couple of times but I truly feel that it is time to set the record straight.  I did not in any way lie, I have all three of the eye CERF exams here for inspection.  The Court proceedings are a matter of public information – they can be viewed at any time.  I ask Bev to produce the documentation that constantly is being slung at us, proving that I have lied, connived against and manipulated anything to do with Bev Manners or Rutland Manor.  I can guarantee you it will not be provided – it DOES NOT EXIST.

As you readily like to tell us all BEV – The Proof Is In The Puddin’  – Well – Here is the puddin Bev!!!


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26 Comments leave one →
  1. Joyce permalink
    February 22, 2011 11:39 pm

    This is such a familiar ‘story’. It is too bad that the myriad of others that have been battered by Bev have not come forward. There are so many, but most of them feel it is behind them and they don’t want to dredge it up again. How I would love to see posted all those complaints that many breeders know about but cannot divulge because the abuse belongs to someone else.

    Open up your eyes and read what Karen has written. The proof is there for all to see. Bev is the manipulator, the liar and the scammer. She has gotten away with it for far too long. Find another breeder to work with, Bev is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

  2. Anat permalink
    February 23, 2011 1:32 am

    Amazing! You are a brave and good lady Karen. Imagine how many others are out there. Beverley Manners should hang her head in shame and never breed another living thing again. And to think she thought she got away with this one. Ha! She didn’t.

  3. Mary permalink
    February 23, 2011 1:55 am

    Karen..I never knew the whole story until now. I just remember years ago, when Bev was telling her side of the story on her chat site. I remember her cutting you down for breeding her and then turning around saying now you wanted your money back because she had cataracts, yet her new owner’s vet said she didn’t have cataracts. Bev boasted that her eyes were clear and no cataracts existed. I knew that her story had to be lie, just because she always does stuff like this.

    I remember when she sold a breeding stud to a gentleman in the USA. When the dog failed his OFA..Bev asked that the x-rays be sent to her so her vet can view them.
    She then responded by accusing this man of sending her hips x-rays of some other dog!
    WOW..what this women won’t do to escape responsibility!

    She always has a response that puts that person in a position that makes it hard to prove themselves. How do you prove that it really THAT dogs x-rays. Just like she always claimed people forged her name when she gets caught in a proof positive document lie with her signature on it.

    Karen..I admire you for coming forth after all these years.

    I won’t surprise me if she changes her PSSSSST page to remove her accusations of you, now that you have more than enough hard evidence to show the world she was , once again, out right lying.

    Funny she never announced to the world that you won your suit against her and yet still to this day..she posts on her site about how you screwed her.

    She is really a sad, angry and desperate soul.

    Her web-site is ladened with the Holy Scriptures..but the way I see it is..If she wants God to start flowing His blessing in her life then she needs to study a bit more on forgiveness. She not onlyhas to forgive those she feels has wronged her..but also ask forgiveness of everyone she has wronged herself. But 1st a person has to be able to admit they have wronged others and I don’t think she will ever be capable of that. At least there has never been any evidence of that.

  4. Concerned permalink
    February 23, 2011 8:54 am

    Bev will say anything to sell a dog, but just take a look at the owners forums. Lots of her dogs have epilpsy, bet you weren’t warned about EPILEPSY when you bought your puppies.

  5. MaryAnn permalink
    February 23, 2011 10:19 pm

    Epilepsy is presenting itself in many RM puppies as well as older RM dogs. Why is this? A fluke? Does she blame it on their environment or her favorite, there diet. No, she breeds anything to anything and has no idea what they carry and doesn’t care.

    And let’s not forget Addison’s Disease….she doesn’t cover for that. Why Beverley? Because you know it will show up and you won’t be liable.

  6. I was there permalink
    February 24, 2011 7:50 pm

    Bev has now admitted 3 cases of Epilepsy among her epilepsy ridden stock which of course she blames on the poodles rather than having to admit that her own stock is even more crappy and heavily inbred. Guess who she mated Kelby to? His own daughter. Where’s the Pride in that?

    You will breed anything to anything for money and fake up a pedigree, won’t you Bev?

  7. Ubique Larkhill permalink
    February 25, 2011 9:57 am

    It’s all coming out now; poor health, incestuous inbreeding, dishonest dealings. Well done Karen, Mary and Joyce for having the courage to post here and on Doodle Zoo. When your business associates come out and tell the world how badly they were treated, any normal human being capable of feeling shame would cut and run. Bev is not normal.

    Normal human decency would stop a “normal” person from posting private emails but she goes ahead and posts the emails from someone she has very badly wronged. Then she has the nerve to claim that I had also posted private emails from her.
    http://farmsofshame.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/buying-up-sick-dogs-and-selling-them-with-fake-pedigrees-beverley-admits-it-all/

    No I didn’t, what I posted was Sales Literature from her Puppy Farm sent to someone with questions about her stock. Questions that terrified her.

    Good honest breeders are taking a stand against Rutland Manor which is now for sale by AUCTION with a reserve of 200K AUD less than last year. She is clearly desperate!

    I hope the creditors finally get some of what they are owed but I suspect that somehow she will worm her way out of this too. Beverley Manners will bankrupt yet another business and start another one as she has done before.

    She must be stopped.

  8. alison permalink
    February 26, 2011 4:01 am

    hi all…
    i have been trying to follow pedigrees of various rutland and tegan park animals… i must admit it is very difficult as some of the ones posted appear to be copies of the pedigree developed by the current owner… not that i am saying they are deliberately trying to mislead anyone…. entirely the opposite… its just that none of them list birth dates, there are no association registration numbers on the ancestors, so it is extremely difficult to follow dog bloodlines. Some of them appear to have been partly rename when they come to another stud, some seem to have no histories at all. Now i know this not surprising but… i am hoping perhaps breeders could possibly post copies of their pedigrees somewhere together for comparison. It would be really useful for research purposes.
    thanks hopefully in advance
    alison

    • Angelique permalink
      February 27, 2011 7:19 pm

      She breeds a bitch under one name, weans the puppies way to early. The bitch comes into season earlier, given a different cut on her coat, a different name and is bred again. And there you have it.

      Multiply that over the years and you can see why she has hundreds of puppies per year to laugh her way to the bank over.

      Then there are the puppies and litters the public doesn’t know about that are either killed, sold to pet shops or other unscrupulous breeders or right back to her mates at other puppy mills. She has quite an empire going. Lets see how long it is before she opens her wait list.

      Surely Helen has permits to be a breeding facility. Of course everything is done by the book. Of course the concerns of RM is about the dogs and their well being. Of course.

  9. alison permalink
    March 1, 2011 1:05 am

    hi folks,
    i am tryingto follow the pedigree of “Cool Dude” So far i have found two different sires listed in pedigrees for this dog… whose pedigrees do we believe?? Particulalry for an animal who she says had such an influence on her breeding and bloodlines. Tegan Park Ima collectors itm… or Tegan Park Ima ace collector… then who were the grandparents… “marlu” or “unknown”
    Who is Rutland’s Gabrielle… was her mother Angel.. or Lil Angel, or is she actually Rutland Stella??
    Its a twisted web we weave , when first we practice to decieve….

    • Verneen permalink
      March 1, 2011 5:08 pm

      And there is nothing like a poisonous spider to weave webs of lies. The solutions is to squash them.

    • Mary permalink
      March 2, 2011 1:12 pm

      Rutlands Gabrielle was a result of a dual sired mating of Rutlands Angel to Chimney Sweep and Jurado Figaro. All the smaller pups in the litter were assigned as the Chimney Sweep and the sire and Lil Angel as the mom and the larger pups were assigned as Figaro and Angel being the parents. It was an attempt to hide a dual sire mating without DNA’ing the pups to see who the real fathers were to the offspring.
      As Joyce mentioned, this was proven through DNA parentage severeal year ago

  10. Joyce permalink
    March 1, 2011 11:43 am

    I can only contribute this: Through DNA, it has been proven that Angel and Lil Angel are the SAME dog. Another deceitful ploy used by Bev to ‘add generations and ‘new’ dogs. If it has been proven she did it once, how many MORE times do you think she did this? There are soooo many dogs in her program with similar names that I often wondered why anyone would do this given the billions of names to choose from. Deceit, deceit and more deceit!

  11. Arla McShae permalink
    March 2, 2011 5:08 pm

    The reason she doesn’t bother to choose different enough names is that she is too greedy and in a hurry.
    Get those bitches bred
    Whelp those puppies
    Hope most of them live $$$$$
    Sell them as fast as you can, change their birthdates makes it easier to move them and breed that bitch again.
    Pay people off

    Your employees finally leave when their conscience can’t stand the lies and horrors any more.
    Think of the great book this will make .
    There is a person who moved out of Druin who briefly worked for you and kept a journal, just like you do. You really shouldn’t leave that lying around.

    Both those journals hold a lot of very interesting and in your case incriminating information.
    All good things in time will be surfacing very soon so go run and hide. Try to hide but you leave an ugly trail where ever you go and while you posted that 2011 will be a good year, it will be for many people and many dogs but it won’t be a good year for you.
    Enjoy your freedom while you can, sell your house and close Rutland Manor and go back to La Trobe.

  12. ! was there permalink
    March 2, 2011 5:30 pm

    Hi Alison
    Nothing Bev says is true
    Cool Dude looked like a poodle, he felt like a poodle, maybe he was just a poodle. He had to disappear before anyone found out.

  13. Jennifer Bakker permalink
    March 4, 2011 7:43 am

    Hi everyone my name is Jennifer Bakker I live in Long Beach CA.
    Rutland Lulubelle is my dog and to set the record straight .. Karen at canadoodles is telling 100% truth about lulu and her cateracts, they got so bad that she was mostly blind . I have spent well over 10,000 dollars since oct. 2010 on various health issues that lulu has sufferd from. With that being said i have no regrets that purchased her from Karen as she was always upfront about Lulu and her eye condition.
    Lulu is the love of our family and we are just greatful for everyday we have with her. If anyone would like to talk directly to me call Karen at canadoodles she has my phone#

    • Mary permalink
      March 4, 2011 1:33 pm

      Thank you so much for coming forward and speaking the truth. How much more credible can the truth be when you, Lulu’s owner, have spoken out!

      I hope the world see’s what you have written.
      Of course though..it would not surprise me if Bev calls you a liar. It would be so typical of her…sad but true

    • Arla McShae permalink
      March 6, 2011 3:50 pm

      What is so amazing in the big picture is that I can’t remember Beverley Manners ever apologizing for anything. She sees herself without fault. How can she be God fearing with an attitude like that.
      I’m glad your Lulu is going great and you are both lucky to have each other. I know there are a lot of people grateful for your post.

      • Mary permalink
        March 6, 2011 8:28 pm

        Good Observation Arla! In the 8 years I’ve known her..she has never apologized to anyone. That’s totally impossible to have never done wrong to anyone yet she boasts on her site many scriptures about how she forgives everyone that has wronged her ..Father forgive them for they know not what they do” It appears to be a spirit of boastful pride, where she tells the world ..that she has risen above hate for everyone that has wronged her, and she claims that God has opened her eyes to her spirit of pride..
        But it appears to be head knowledge and not a life changing revelation

        Forgiveness if not just forgiving those you have wronged you..but asking forgiveness for those You have wronged.

  14. Amanda permalink
    March 4, 2011 8:48 am

    Thank you Jennifer for speaking the truth!

  15. Kathy permalink
    March 6, 2011 4:54 am

    Your courage in speaking the truth is appreciated by many owners and their beloved Doodles.

    • Jennifer Bakker permalink
      March 6, 2011 7:41 pm

      It’s not hard for me to be honest and do whats right ….. I hope the truth about Lulu makes a difference to prospective labradoodle owners in choosing a legitimate breeder . They are out there do your homework !

  16. alison permalink
    March 26, 2011 3:32 pm

    hi folks,
    get a laugh out of this…. bev’s changed her website statements again… now she says …

    “….Canadian breeder Karen McKay of Canadoodle Labradoodles, who allegedly scammed me into paying a refund for a breeding female who did not have the health problem she claimed her to have (I found the new owner in California, Karen sold her to after having bred with her, and had tests performed at my expense)…..results ‘extensive tests showed slight cataract in left eye…normal for age…check again in six months’. IF SHE WAS NOT SUITABLE FOR BREEDING WHY DID KAREN MCKAY KEEP AND SELL BREEDING PUPPIES FROM HER LITTER?….” quote taken directly from the “PSSSt” page of the rutland manor breeding and research centre website at the time of this posting…

    hang on…. i thought she had paid for the tests and stated they had shown no signs of any cataracts… i have read the above vet optometry reports… so which is it bev…. no problems, or some problems, or big problems… either way you are just digging yourself in deeper with every new statement….how could she have scammed you bev, if the courts ordered you to pay up? The more you write, the harder it is to believe what Bev ever says….
    best wishes to all
    alison

  17. Heike permalink
    May 31, 2011 7:26 pm

    Deeper and deeper the hole she digs for herself…pretty soon it will be the one she buries herself in, one can only hope, eh??? Karen is the breeder my breeder has a relationship with, an honest and wonderful person. I have been lucky as my dog is from Tegan Park stock. I came close to purchasing a second dog from RM, however after being on Bev’s chat site years ago and learning she lies and hate she shows towards people from her site for asking pedigree questions, I kept my guard up and finally the truth about Bev was being exposed…fast forward to now and the mountains of evidence, the friends, breeders, vets, fired workers and puppy owners that have been duped are finally coming together and putting the final nails on her breeding coffin..Cheers to all that have done such great work in keeping the lies exposed and the pressure on..Unfortuately, I think Bev gets some sick satisfaction at the attention she gets even if it’s all negative.

    • Anon permalink
      June 1, 2011 1:23 am

      You are so right. She loves the attention and gets mad if people don’t fight back with her. It’s her life support along with her cigarrettes and computer. Sicko Granny is a good name for her.

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