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A comment from Beverley

August 21, 2009

Beverley left the following comment and links on this website today.

The lies and twisting of facts published on this website, are outrageously uninformed, malicious and reprehensible and can be proven to be so.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/dec2002/defa-d13.shtml

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2002/12/12/Internetdefamation_021212.html

So tell us Beverley which part of this website are you actually reffering to ?

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22 Comments leave one →
  1. Silva permalink
    August 21, 2009 3:50 pm

    Obviously if a site posts something that is incorrect then it should be removed and apologies given, but first the complainant must say what is not correct. Go on, Beverley what has this site said that is untruthful?

  2. Charlotte permalink
    August 21, 2009 7:19 pm

    I have sat and watched for a long time.

    This morning i woke to find in my INBOX the same links as above sent to me from Beverley

    There was no text – just the subject line which said “Careful”

    I take this as yet another threat toward myself from Beverley.

    I have, in the past, done a great deal to help Beverley in any way possible but circumstances chaged and i decided to distance myself from Beverley for ethical reasons.

    Perhaps Beverley would like to take advantage of this public forum and not only answer the above question but tell me why i need to be “CAREFUL” as i take this as ANOTHER direct personal threat toward me from Beverley.

  3. Charlotte permalink
    August 21, 2009 8:38 pm

    It has now become apparent that Beverley has chosen to name me on her website.

    I currently have absolutley nothing to do with RM nor Beverley Manners and wish to NEVER have any future or further contact with her.

    I resigned my involvement with Beverley for ethical reasons when i discovered that the truth was not being entirely told.

    I have instructed that she remove any reference to myself from her website immediately and refrain from personal email threats and attempts to intimidate me.

  4. Lisa Ryan permalink
    August 21, 2009 9:01 pm

    True to form Beverly sent me another of her bizarre emails with the heading “careful….”. I assume this was another of Beverly’s attempts to attack or intimidate. It won’t work Beverly !!! Beverly – suggest you leave it to the Police to determine the ‘facts’ first then maybe you can look at statements on websites which you consider to be of a libelous nature or ones considered under the banner of slander or defamation. Facts are facts and as I recall you yourself at one stage had links on your own website directly to a Debra Tranter site which focused on factual information relating to your self promoting, deluded and cruel and greedy puppy farming practices. You have also made comments on more worldwide websites than I can recall only drawing further attention to your own situation. I would suggest this has been an error in your judgment but I would think campaigners like Debra Tranter flourished on the improved opportunities to educate the public through your own ego for publicity. Stop wasting your time on websites and go and look after your dogs Beverly.

  5. heike allison permalink
    August 21, 2009 9:12 pm

    Debarking of dogs = true
    Underage breeding = true
    Back to back breeding = true
    Operating without permit until recently = true
    Raid from RSPCA = true
    Alex audit findings = true
    Lindleys disassociating themselves = true
    Fine from EPA and report of debarking of dogs not acceptable = true

    You can change your website a hundred times a day, move you chat page weekly, but you are going to be in checkmate soon.

  6. Anonymous permalink
    August 22, 2009 12:06 am

    Hey Beverley remember when you accused Debra Tranter of contributing to Colin Hamms death ? What was that !!!!! He is still alive! And by the way how do you know Colin Hamms – doesn’t he own the biggest puppy farm in Australia – 400 dogs ?

  7. Charlotte permalink
    August 22, 2009 12:34 am

    TAMARUKE disassociating themselves = TRUE!!!!!

  8. StopRutlandManor permalink
    August 22, 2009 12:42 am

    Congratulations Tamaruke well done and Welcome !!!!!

  9. heike allison permalink
    August 22, 2009 2:07 am

    Beverley, the day you debarked even one freakin dog was the day you lost worldwide support!!!!!!! I for one had to eat crow because I defended you, thinking this was just as you quoted and told all of us two “disgruntled employees” made up lies to discredit you. Well, you discredited yourself. No breeder in their right mind would debark dogs en masse.
    Just read her website Charlotte, oh my the BULL never ends does it!! She is now telling everyone her dogs were debarked because the council mader her do it or they would take her dogs. Whaaaat??? She claims you helped her do this!!! Bev is sooo very skillful at explaining away any controversy that comes her way.

  10. heike allison permalink
    August 22, 2009 2:15 am

    Your council refused to sign the document because debarking is “ILLEGAL” in your state!!!!!

  11. Charlotte permalink
    August 22, 2009 2:22 am

    This is a very difficult time for me. I have sat and watched not daring to speak out but now i can not watch any longer.
    I can not allow Beverley to allude to the fact that i have de-barked my dogs.

    Beverley is aware that my husband has been battling caner for almost 2 years now and unable to work in that time.
    We have been under extreme pressure in our lives and Beverley is also very aware of this but it does not stop her attempting to intimidate and threaten me behind the scenes.
    I just want to be left to breed our gorgeous dogs and help my husband try to beat his illness.
    Our property and our dogs are able to be inspected and our on site Vet is happy to speak to our visitors. I am sure a registered Vet is not going to compromise his reputation and work at Tamaruke if the standards were not 100% perfect.

  12. heike allison permalink
    August 22, 2009 2:31 am

    Bev you are so full of it, I take my dog to a day care and they have at least 15 dogs on the premises at any given day, this site is only 5acres and sits among homes nearby. Not only do the dogs not bark, but they are playing with humans and each other all day. The staff take the time to train all the dogs how to behave and keep them entertained so they are busy and don’t need to bark for attention. You may be able to delude your “faithful” followers. We are not all your ex employees, or neighbors, or even disgruntled breeders, I myself love my dogs and would rather give them up than subject them to a surgery, laser or otherwise to shut them up. We have no monetary gain in seeing you shut down like you claim the shire does. You are the only one that has a monetary gain from “not” being shut down. Those are not your “beloved dogs” but your money making machines. Why when faced with all these noise complaints didn’t you just find guardian homes for your dogs and just keep the few ones on site that could live like pets. You yourself on your website told of your dislike of “Kennels” for breeding dogs. Not in a freakin million years did I think you kept your breeding dogs in KENNELS.
    Who does that???

  13. heike allison permalink
    August 22, 2009 2:51 am

    Beverley thought you were a master dog trainer???? You couldn’t train your dogs not to bark excessively???

  14. Lisa Ryan permalink
    August 22, 2009 2:58 am

    Beverly you are beyond any sane rational thought processes and beyond contempt with your desperate attempts to intimidate those (including many who have either once been associated with you or supported you or simply like me have opposed you and all you stand for) and who are all now united from a variety of backgrounds and are all asking that justice be achieved.

    Again you assume everyone including your own supporters are stupid or uneducated. The articles you now have up also state “But I’m not comfortable looking at a bitch who’s still a puppy with puppies, and I would not want to risk a glitch in growth, so waiting until the bitch is fully adult is something I’d always advise” and “But after full growth has been attained, she’s finished or shown as much as you plan to show her, health testing is done, and the bitch’s reproductive life is ready to begin …” and “…most dogs can be trained not to bark frequently. Certain breeds are associated with barking more often, and they may be the most difficult to train. Further, debarking means the dog cannot use his or her bark to alert owners to danger”.

    As for your reference to NAIA – well that isn’t even worth commenting on. In my opinion they have as little credibility as PIAA.

    As for your statements that “and others who without taking the trouble to visit Rutland Manor, nor check their information for accuracy nor to contact me personally…”. I offered on several occasions to visit, to check to confirm. You have ignored my repeated offers.
    And “ some who stayed here for days or weeks, and had first hand knowledge of what really happens here,…” again many who have visited and stayed ie Alex, have now cut the ties with you so who are you trying to kid Beverly.

    Stop your desperate bully boy tactics Beverly and don’t assume everyone is stupid and will continue to follow you blindly – they won’t.

    Charlotte and Heike I applaud your bravery. Do not allow this woman to intimidate you – these dogs are depending on your continued courage and you will be supported by the growing army who know the truth and will keep fighting for the truth which will be confirmed by the lawful authorities.

  15. heike allison permalink
    August 22, 2009 3:06 am

    Oh Charlotte, I am sorry to hear your husband is ill. Now that Beverley has put on a public website the lies about Charlotte, her vet and her dogs she has shown her true nature to the world. Beverley, not only do I wish you shut down, I sincerely hope there will be jail time for you. How dare you hurt someone like this.
    I hope someone finds the vet that did these procedures on bev’s dogs, they need to be brought to task as well.

  16. Charlotte permalink
    August 22, 2009 3:11 am

    I have actually visited RM on two occassions (once with my Husband – who vowes never to return)

    I can elaborate if you like Beverley

  17. Lisa Ryan permalink
    August 22, 2009 4:14 am

    Charlotte for your husband to vow he would never return to RM I must assume he was very concerned/alarmed with what you both witnessed first hand. While I would like to see yet another first hand experience documented and made available to the public to shut RM and Beverly Manners down, and reduce the day to day suffering for all her dogs who are still today suffering, I appreciate you may not be comfortable with such a public airing. However remember if it is the truth and factual, under common law you have the legal right and a duty to inform the public. If not, at least ensure you provide your first hand experience and knowledge to the relevant authorities. It all makes a difference.

  18. Rich permalink
    August 22, 2009 6:01 pm

    I, for one, am no fan of Beverly but I do wish to correct something for the record regarding breeding dogs back to back. Before I do that, I will say that anyone who attempts to control the breeding process via a franchising scheme, trademark the breed, and pass themselves off a a “research” center instead of the kennel they are, are no fans of mine. Also, without DNA and other genetic testing the “formula” tried and used to create the Australian Labradoodle would not be apparent in the pedigrees provided.

    Having said that and in her defense of back to back breeding. I have had this discussion numerous times with our reproductive Vet, over many years, and he is a well published and respected reproductive Vet. Dogs, unlike people, go through all the hormoal changes whether they are pregnant or not and I have seen them nest and prepare for a non existant litter. Their systems are hormonally stressed through this period and the payoff is no pups to nurse and I have seen them confused and depressed. We all used to wait until dogs were 2 years old before we bred them. We cited maturity issues which may sometimes be the case but usually it was because we could not complete all our tests on our dogs until that age. Today, we can have all the tests done with proper indicators before they are a year old. Again, referring to an expert reproductive vet it is better to start them young, breed them every cycle, and retire them young. When we skipped cycles and started them at 2 we bred them to ages 5 through as much as 8 before retiring. Now we retire between three and 4 years of age and, truthfully, the live longer healthier lives now then they did starting at 2, skipping cycles and breeding them longer. Early societies of mankind starting breeding as soon as people were capable and marriage was even legal in some states when i was a kid, with parental consent, as early as 14 years of age, maybe younger.

    Somene mentioned a total of 29 pups. So? My dogs all live in guardian homes, no kennel here. All are healthy and have wonderful lives. Our oldest active girl is just shy of three and having her last litter this month. She has had as few as 6 and as many as 12 pups at a time and will go way beyond 29 total pups. Again, they are dogs and have multiple births and as a large breed may have large litter sizes. My girls are so sweet that they help each other nurse, if needed but are wuite capable of handling large litters well. We only need to feed her more quality food in those cases. She will tell us when she has had enough and that is usually when it is time to wean which we do based on her behavior. There is not a mean bone in their body. Responsible breeders breed responsibly, breed for temperament and conformation, and in my case, look to professionals for guidance.

    So, therre are reasons to look carefully at Rutland Manor, what they do versus what they say. Maybe they do practice bad breeding techniques but not based on what I read here regarding back to back and starting early. Those are considered proper breeding practices by Vets who have done the science. Certainly, if you don’t agree with that, as a breeder, you have the option to do what you feel is right, but that does not make it wrong for someone else.

    Debarking is another issue. I don’t know enough about it but on the surface it does sound like a bad practice. But, I don’t like kennels either, IMO but have seen some where the dogs are well socialized and cared for.

    Anyway, this is my opinion for what its worth

    • StopRutlandManor permalink
      August 23, 2009 1:08 am

      Thanks Rich for your very informative reply, well written.
      Regardless of what anyone thinks of back to back breeding and underage breeding, it is still illegal in the State of Victoria.
      Most breeders who do believe in back to back breeding (we don’t ) have 3 litters at the most and then they do retire the dogs. Responsible registered breeders do not breed unless they have homes for the puppies they are about to bring into the world.
      In any case we are not talking about a registered breeder with a selective breeding program, Rutland Manor is a puppy farm that has operated illegally for many years.
      Thanks

  19. Charlotte permalink
    August 22, 2009 9:09 pm

    Beverley you are truly a GIFTED individual.

    You have mastered the art of twisting the truth to make yourself look like the victim – at ANYONE’S expense. Even when someone who is suffering from Cancer has gone out of his way to help you – you still see your situation and needs as more significant than theirs.
    You need to take the truth and twist it so that you appear as the victim. You don’t care if it hurts anyone as long as you are the victim – who cares if the story is only half true.
    Yes Beverley as you have stated on your website I have a kind and understanding heart but the truth is not a pretty picture so you failed to tell the ENTIRE truth in the correct context.
    WHY would you publicly mention your need to acknowledge my understanding kind heart NOW if it wasn’t your attempt to try and smoke screen the ENTIRE truth once again and to place me in the same category as yourself. OUR friendship was over quite a few months ago after I witnessed the neglected state of your dogs (on many occasions).

    Unlike you, we facilitate and extensive Guardian Program and personally interact and maintain our own dogs with no staff.
    Yesterday being Saturday and your supposed Sabbath (a day that you steadfastly refuse to conduct business because it is your Holy day) we note with great interest that you still found the time to send numerous vengeful and intimidating emails to various people. That I would call two faced.
    Your poor foolish supporters have not yet seen the side of you that others have but the time will come.

  20. heike allison permalink
    August 23, 2009 7:50 am

    Rich, I know who you are, I have witnessed the public trashing of your breeding program on Beverley’s chat page. Don’t you get it, she does’t want competition, only her dogs are “true” ADS even though she has bred poodles back in her program. She has gotten dogs from the pound to breed into her program. What the heck, don’t even substantiate her back to back breeding as it is clearly illegal in Australia. Debarking as a convience is also illegal as well as reprehensible.

  21. Rich permalink
    August 24, 2009 1:54 am

    Its OK, I wasn’t defending her. She can bash me all she likes. I care about my dogs and the families that acquire them from us and no amount of bashing by her means a thing. When she does it people come to see what we are about and many become families with our dogs. She cant hurt our program, only herself

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