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August 27, 2009

We apologies that our recent post about Tegan Park Winsomemore caused distress to Tracey and we are pleased to say that Winnie is indeed in a loving home. With respect to Tracey we have removed the post.

Our intention was to show that Winnie was used as a breeding machine and that she was not what Beverley made her out to be.

61% of those who voted do not believe that Winnie is a Labradoodle.  Photographs of Winnie can still be seen here.

Shih tzu cross = 61%

ASD Australian Labradoodle = 29%

Labrador x = 0%

Poodle x = 0%

Dont know = 10%

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12 Comments
  1. Lisa Ryan permalink
    August 27, 2009 12:38 pm

    Yes Winnie is lucky – I wish I could say the same for her two children, – Winston and Willow. Nothing excuses this type of breeding and nothing excuses remaining silent if if can stop it happening again.

  2. Someone Who Knows permalink
    August 28, 2009 1:36 am

    I don’t have any sympathy for Tracey at all. Tracey phoned other breeders and ex employee’s of RM as she was so concerned about Winnie and wanted to know if this dog had any chance at all of rehabilitation, Winnie was traumatized and a bloody mess! Tracey demanded that Bev hand over Winnie to her.
    Tracey why don’t you tell everyone what you told so many in private ? That you were appalled at RM and the condition of the dogs. You sit back whinging that a photo of Winnie was published here and yet you know what the remaining dogs are suffering through and all because you are silent. Shame on you Tracey

    • August 28, 2009 5:14 am

      Dear All,
      Once again I am nervous writing on this forum and I have absolutely no idea who “Someone Who Knows Says”. What I can say, is that Tracey is absolutely devastated by your words.

      Tracey is one of the kindest people you could ever meet, she does heaps of work with rescue dogs and is very highly thought of in the labradoodle community of Sydney especially. I know she has met heaps of people in Queensland also and they think she is wonderful.

      Tracey did phone lots of people about Winnie because she wanted to know allll about her and if she would fit in with her family and of course Remy. It was a decision she made ages ago and I for one selfishly cautioned her about a second dog (because Lil Soul might miss out on some of her love) heheheh. She wanted to be sure that she was doing the correct thing. She also phoned lots of people who had two dogs and how to introduce them etc. She wanted to do everything correctly.

      Yesterday Linny wrote a post asking you to stop personal attacks on people and I beg you all also to please stop attacking Tracey and Winnie – if you could only feel her pain and hear her crying maybe it would make you realise how soft she is and definitely does not deserve any criticism for adopting Winnie

      Please dont delete this post

      Thanks
      Derani
      Woof woof from Lil Soul

  3. Lisa Ryan permalink
    August 28, 2009 3:27 am

    Well Tracey if the above is correct then you have an ethical obligation to confront and tell the truth. Wiinie is safe and happy as is her daughter Remy. Winston and Willow are not – do you seriously want to be in part responsible for them suffering as Winnie did who you no doubt love very much did, if you can stop and prevent further cruelty by being brave and coming forward. This is about the dogs Tracey not misdirected loyalty to someone like Bevely Manners who has and continues to inflict such cruelty or defenceless dogs, many of whom no longer can ever speak and some who are Winnie’s own children. if not for you, don’t you owe this to Winnie ?

  4. Someone Who Knows permalink
    August 28, 2009 4:58 am

    For the record Tracey has not been “crying all morning” as Bev is posting on other forums because Winnie’s picture was posted here. She has been crying because the truth is finally getting out and she has remained silent! Embarrassed Tracey!

  5. StopRutlandManor permalink
    August 28, 2009 5:02 am

    Also for the record we have not removed Tracey’s posts in fact we posted all her comments along with the photo of Winnie that we took down after Tracey requested us too.
    We think this is more about Tracey’s reputation, rather than having a photo of her dog on a web site, perhaps she should be crying for all of Winnie’s off spring?

  6. Someone Who Knows permalink
    August 28, 2009 5:33 am

    Derani tell Tracey to get a grip! “feel her pain and hear her crying” WHAT ABOUT THE DOGS!!! and what about all the people that Bev has attacked, threatened and spread lies about. IT ISN’T ALWAYS ABOUT YOU TRACEY!

  7. Lisa Ryan permalink
    August 28, 2009 5:48 am

    Derani

    if you choose to allow Beverly Manners to use you as a mouthpiece then that is as tragic as the RM dogs who have lost their ability to ever again speak or communicate.

    Stick to the facts PLEASE. No -one has attacked Winnie and no-one is criticizing Tracey for adopting Winnie. We are all very relieved she did. What we are trying to highlight is that for someone like Tracey who obviously saw and was concerned enough about the RM dogs to take Winnie, someone who as you yourself say does lots of work with dogs – it is all pointless, if Tracey has the ability to stop any more cruelty and yet doesn’t for fear of upsetting the very woman who abused the dog Tracey loves – Winnie.

  8. Linny, Australia permalink
    August 29, 2009 2:02 am

    I can’t and don’t speak for Tracey, and nor do I pretend to know all the circumstances. However, I do know that she is a good and kind person, and believe that whatever she does, she would do so for good reason.

    Tracey does a lot of work behind the scenes with various rescue groups, and is a much loved and well respected member of the Labradoodle and wider canine community. Her only “crime” is to have gone to great lengths to rescue Winnie, and give her a wonderful and safe pet home.

    I abhor such practices as debarking dogs, breeding underage dogs, and overbreeding, and I do believe that these illegal and immoral practices should be exposed. However, I fail to see that attacking a private individual in this manner does anything to further the cause of animal welfare.

    By all means bring the law breakers, scammers and puppy-millers to account, but please ensure that the blame is placed clearly with those who have done wrong.

  9. StopRutlandManor permalink
    August 29, 2009 6:16 am

    Once again, we have not attacked Tracey or Winnie, we have never accused her of a “crime” ?
    Perhaps one day Tracey will speak out.

  10. Lisa Ryan permalink
    August 29, 2009 9:56 am

    No doubt Tracey is a good and kind person Linny – hence she was concerned enough about Winnie to demand Beverly “hand her over”. She obviously did this for the right reasons. I also accept your word that Tracey does a lot of work behind the scenes with various rescue groups and is a well respected member of the Labradoodle community. This is wonderful however again, Tracey is NOT being attacked and we are all very pleased Winnie is safe and obviously very loved and well cared for.

    If however Tracey truly believes in the merits of rescue and protecting vulnerable dogs, then she needs to make a choice – is Tracey’s rescue ‘values’ only when it doesn’t make her uncomfortable, or is it when it is genuine and needed regardless of the circumstances. If it is the former then I am grateful that the breed I have owned and loved and show and breed is not reliant on someone like Tracey to step up and assist when the need arises.

    The practices of Beverly Manners that you describe sicken us all – you either say so and protect other dogs from suffering a similar and ongoing fate or you walk away but if you walk away, don’t expect to wear the badge of a good and kind person who does good works with dogs – because it has no meaning if you turn your back on the ones who have a chance of a future, only to be denied because people like Tracey do not feel comfortable telling the truth. I am not suggesting this is easy for Tracey and many others to speak up – but it is the right thing to do for the dogs, and I am sure Tracey knows that too. For me I couldn’t love a beautiful dog like Winnie, be aware of her sad background and then turn my back on Winnie’s children, nor do I, or will I ever, understand how a good and kind person like Tracey can continue to protect the woman her abused her Winnie and will continue to abuse Winnie’s children when speaking out could prevent so much more cruelty, including to Winnie’s children. It really is as simple as that.

  11. heike allison permalink
    August 29, 2009 9:15 pm

    Lisa it’s fear and fear of rejection from the community of Bev’s dog owners. No matter how much evidence is produced some of them will never see the light.

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